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-Do you believe that
our government is in

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possession of UAPs?

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-Absolutely, based on
interviewing over 40 witnesses

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over 4 years.

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-It had no visible wings
or any kind of engines...

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-The United States government
has gathered a great deal of

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information about UAPs
over many decades but has

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refused to share it
with the American people.

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[Bill Nelson] So, we
don't know what it is.

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But it's something.

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-The U.S. Navy has
finally acknowledged that

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videos appearing
to show UFOS flying through

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the air are real.

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-We've seen testimony
from pilots.

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We've seen the videos.

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We've heard from the witnesses
that there is more to this.

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-I think people who
had the experiences and

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seen things like I've seen,

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they're an integral part
of this entire phenomenon.

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-As I first saw it,
it came into view,

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glinting off the horizon.

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-We’re gonna get to the
bottom of it dadgummit,

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whatever the truth may be.

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-But more and more
researchers believe that we

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won't get to the
bottom of anything by

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waiting for the
government's help.

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-It's an intelligence
failure to not collect

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the data and
not believe it.

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-I know how the
government works.

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They're not being fully
open and transparent.

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An object is seen to
go into the water.

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How about releasing that
video that was leaked?

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-We've made a lot
of progress but we're

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not there yet.

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If we've learned anything
over the last 70 years,

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it's that scientific study of
this phenomena will continue

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whether the government
wants it to or not.

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-We're seeing these
independent scientific groups,

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that's where the action is.

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And they're willing to
dive into this subject and

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really try to get
some measurements.

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-If we can gather enough
information and data from these

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phenomena we might
be able to explain what

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that technology is.

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-Any life, happening
anywhere else,

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would be the most
revolutionary discovery

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in the history of humanity.

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[♪ theme music playing]

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-We get reports every night.

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-I don't know
what the hell it is.

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-Rotating right around it.

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[♪ theme music playing]

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-I was flying home
from Myrtle Beach

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going into LaGuardia.

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I was coming back
from a cheer competition

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with my daughter.

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It was just pretty outside.

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It was such a
beautiful day out.

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It was about 2:30.

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I was looking at the bridge,

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so I'm like,
let's just take some videos.

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And then I noticed this
object going past really fast.

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What is this?

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That was really
close to the plane.

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I was honestly like alarmed
with how close it was,

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because what if that
did hit the plane?

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When I got home that night,

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I looked back at the
video and I just really

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wanted to know
what the object was.

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When I first saw it,

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I thought maybe
a drone, possibly.

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But it was so fast and
so close to the plane,

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that I'm like, there's
no way it could be a drone.

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My dad was in the
Navy and when he saw it,

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he didn't know
what it was either.

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He thought someone
should be aware of it

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in case it's a
safety hazard.

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He really encouraged
me to send it to the FAA.

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So that’s what I did.

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And they haven't
responded to me.

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But I’m not this person that
goes down this rabbit hole of

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UFOs and trying to
decipher what things are.

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All I wanted was like an
answer to what it could be.

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I honestly don't know
what it is til this day.

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-What are we seeing up there?

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I don't think there's going
to be a singular answer.

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But I am proceeding as if
no one is going to tell us

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anything and that we have
to get our answers ourself.

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I think that is the
best path to lead us to real

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answers in the future.

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-If we really wanna
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we need new data collected by

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scientists working
independently.

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And as scientists,

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we are in a
different position today.

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The technology to develop
your own independent UAP

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search is available to
anyone and it's affordable...

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...makes this now
in the domain of the

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"everyman scientist"
and not purely in the

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domain of government.

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-This is the essence of science.
We have a question.

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We need to go out and find
the answer to that question,

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and we have the
instrument to do it.

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-Oh my god.
It's coming at us, dude.

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[Mitch Randall] For many years,

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there was no good
data on tornadoes.

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But we had an issue in
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storms were going to be,

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why don't we take our
radar to the tornado?

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the equipment and it
all fit into a truck,

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and we could drive that to

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these rare weather events
and get right in there and

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get the data.

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So that's where the
idea of these storm-chasing

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trucks came, and
I was involved in that.

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I'm Mitch Randall.

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I'm an engineer and a physicist.

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I've been interested in the
UFO subject for decades.

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I got involved with
the Galileo Project,

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which is a group of
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do an investigation of UAP.

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I knew the ideal tool
for it would be radar.

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Radar is a really ideal
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objects in the atmosphere
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quantitatively, the
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objects in space.

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people have
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these kind of crazy
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don't do that.

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[Jacob Haqq Misra]
Mitch Randall has developed a

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passive radar approach
to looking for UAP.

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emanating from the object,

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you can determine
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[Mitch Randall] This is
a passive radar receiver.

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So this antenna picks up
echoes that come off objects

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and that signal that
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an FM transmitter that's
30 miles south of here.

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So suppose it's anytime,
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and a UFO flies somewhere
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the signal from the FM
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the UFO and come here and
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see what kind of
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and be able to track it.

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but my vision is to
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the chances of you
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So we need some kind of like
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if an event occurs,

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we got some instruments
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The idea is that citizens would
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which they could easily
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they plug in a
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a big mesh network
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continental United States.

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the position of the
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[Jacob Haqq Misra] You can
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to sift through the
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identifying all the
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see what's left over.

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[Mitch Randall] I think this
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question we’ve been asking
for years and years and years.

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I don’t know of any
other scientific question

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that has so little data,
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[Leslie Kean] We don't
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why they're here,
who they are,

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but they need to be studied.

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-The events being
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there's something
behind it that's beyond

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our technology development.

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I'm Hal Puthoff.

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I'm a quantum physicist,

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PhD from
Stanford University.

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I set up EarthTech
International and

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the Institute for Advanced
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UFOs have been a topic
that's kind of been off-limits

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and fringy and a lot of
stigma associated with it.

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I mean, there are still
a lot of physicists who

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the things that get, uh,

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reported are nonsense or
misidentifications and so on.

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better and better sensors.

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So the stigma has
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due to this increase,

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I would say, in
scientific data collection.

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So the general phrase is
that two kinds of people...

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...people who don't look
into it and know it's nonsense,

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and people who do look
into it and know it's real.

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-If you're seeing something
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what if you can also actually
measure it through a piece of

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equipment that's not your eyes?

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So, now you have a recording
device that can accurately

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determine what that
object is and give you much

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more solid information.

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I was a mechanical
engineer for almost 25 years.

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When I transitioned into
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I was very fortunate to
land an internship at the

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Institute for Advanced Studies

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in Austin under
Dr. Hal Puthoff.

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Part of what I did was
researching medical effects on

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people spotting UFOs.

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So we designed sensors
that specifically looked

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for radiation present
when UAPs were there.

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other things were happening.

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-Jim Segala has developed
a sensor suite to measure

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radioactivity in the vicinity
where there are eyewitness

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reports of UAP sightings.

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-I have been studying
the case of a resident in

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New Hampshire who has been
seeing UFOs behind his house

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for the past two years.

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These are the
videos he recorded.

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And you can see here where
it starts splitting off.

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Now there's three
objects where it started off

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as one object.

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This is the original video
that piqued his interest.

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So he mounted a trail
camera where he suspected

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that these objects
were happening.

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And one of the videos
is quite revealing.

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The actual objects
ended up appearing right

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where those trees were.

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And then he eliminated the
possibility that it could be

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just a natural phenomena
or a human-made phenomena,

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like airplanes, satellites,
stars, drones and

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things like that.

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I suggested to this person
that we need to understand

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what's going on
in the environment,

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so we put a piece of
equipment there that would look

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at all sorts of
different signals.

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-So this device was designed
specifically to identify the

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signals present when UFOs
fly by a particular area.

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I put together as many possible
signal sensors as I could.

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One being a high-level
camera that’s capable of

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capturing visual and also
infrared spectrums.

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Then at the same time,

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I can look for these
electromagnetic signals

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that come off of these UFOs.

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All of those sensors
are mounted and they go

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to this computer here,

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which then sends all
that information over WiFi,

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up to the cloud,

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where you can view
them and you can run it through

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any kind of models
and things like that.

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-We put my device pretty
close to his house.

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And there was a big spike
in some of the sensors that

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indicated something was
in the environment that was

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making a lot of
electro-magnetic noise.

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One example is,

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you have the magnetic
vector getting hit.

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Now the magnetic vector
is the gravity.

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It’s very difficult to do that.

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You’d have to have some
very very massive object,

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like a moon or something
like that to create this

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kind of spike.

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And it also happens with
the Gyroscope sensor which

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is the indication
that these objects

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were twisting around.

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Those are just two examples.

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The equipment collects
data all day long.

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I have algorithms that
are looking at this.

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And what this is allowing
me to do is understand a

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pattern as these
anomalous events unfold.

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So every time this
individual sees a UFO it is

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followed with some changes
in the environmental signals.

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Now I can see a correlation
which gives me the ability to

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start predicting
some of these things.

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[Leslie Kean] It's exciting
that these independent people

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are coming on board because
they have a certain freedom to

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explore and develop
their own particular approach

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to studying this
UFO phenomenon.

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But we're still left to wonder,
what clues have already been

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gathered by the one
group that has been studying

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UFOs since the beginning?

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-The fundamental question
is whether the US government

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has at its possession
materials or information.

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If they do, I really wish
that they would share it with

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scientists like myself because
the sky is not classified.

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Our oceans are not classified.

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If we do have a neighbor,

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we'll have to find it ourselves.

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-One of the very positive
impacts of the last few years,

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involving the
government and UAP,

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is that it has also made
the issue more palatable for

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the academic community
and the scientific community.

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But the scientific
community needs scientific data

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to do serious work.

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And the government
could be and should be

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sharing more information

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in its possession
to facilitate that.

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-The government has a
legitimate interest in

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protecting some
classified information.

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It has an interest in
protecting the sources and

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methods they use for
collecting intelligence.

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I'm a journalist.

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I don't want people
knowing my sources.

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It's also the case that the
intelligence community in

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particular often overstates
the risk to exposing sources and

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methods that would come
from being more transparent

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about any number of
topics with the public.

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The government classifies
way too much information.

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-Congress has wanted the
UAP subject investigated

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to make sure that UAPs are not
a threat to national security.

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And that's why the All Domain
Anomaly Resolution Office was

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created in July of 2022.

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[Shane Harris] AARO is a
government organization whose

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job is to take all of the
information that the government

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is collecting on UAPs and try
and figure out what it is.

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[Robert Powell] AARO was
supposed to look at the history

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of the UAP subject
from approximately 1945 up

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until the modern period.

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They were also supposed
to look at any data that

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has been hidden.

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-February 2024,

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AARO comes out with
what I think is one of the

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most important documents
that the government has issued

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about UFOs and
UAPs in decades.

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[anchor] And we have
breaking news now,

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a Pentagon
review of decades of

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government investigations
into UFO sightings has

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found no evidence
any of those sightings

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were extraterrestrial.

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[reporter] They found no
evidence to suggest that the

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United States government
or industry possesses

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any alien technology.

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[Robert Powell] The AARO
report was missing some of

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the most important
sightings of the 21st century.

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The November 14th,
2004 Nimitz case,

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one of the most difficult
cases to explain.

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The same thing with the
Gimbal incidents from the 2015

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and 16 cases.

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[Shane Harris] The big
things that stood out to me

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about the report was one,
how emphatic it was,

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which was to say no evidence
that this is extraterrestrial,

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which was a pretty
declarative statement.

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I will say that the report
didn't read as much like

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government reports that
I'm used to seeing.

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It was a bit more
casually written.

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And it didn't have tons and
tons and tons of footnotes.

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It wasn't a terribly
long report.

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[Robert Powell] AARO makes
the point that the conclusions

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are always the same.

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That Project Blue Book,

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the Robertson Panel of 1953,

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and that the
Condon Report of 1968,

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all of these concluded
that there was no evidence

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of extraterrestrial
intelligence.

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And that's the main
point that AARO's making.

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-The bottom line takeaway was,
"Nothing to see here."

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But that flies in the face of
very interesting comments from

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the former director
of that office.

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-A very small percentage of
UAP reports display signatures

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that could reasonably be
described as anomalous.

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This is a spherical orb,

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metallic, in
the Middle East,

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2022 by an MQ9.

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This is a typical
example of the thing that

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we see most of.

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We see these all over
the world and we see

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these making very interesting,
apparent maneuvers.

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This one in particular,
however, I would point out,

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demonstrated no enigmatic
technical capabilities and was

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no threat to airborne safety.

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While we are still
looking at it,

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I don’t have any more
data other than that.

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-They literally said, we
have these spheres moving

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through our war theaters,
what metal ball do you know

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that flies around?

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I don't know of any.

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So that could pretty easily
fall under the umbrella term of

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a non-human intelligence.

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[Robert Powell] In science,
before you can make that

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statement that there is no
evidence of extraterrestrial

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intelligence, you
have to define,

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what is the evidence we're
looking for to determine

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whether or not we've seen
extraterrestrial intelligence.

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[Garry Nolan] If you’re
going to give a conclusion,

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where is your data and
what are your methods?

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[Robert Powell] Science
operates in the open.

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We are never going to
get an answer until we

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work with science and
not the intelligence or

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military groups on
the UAP subject.

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-As a scientist, I don't
need their permission to know

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what I know.

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I don't need their
permission to collect data.

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We should stop waiting for
daddy government to make the

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decision for us.

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[Elizabeth Vargas] Avi Loeb
is a Harvard theoretical

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astrophysicist and
professor of science.

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[Chris Cuomo] Professor Loeb
has just come back from a trip

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that he says has advanced
our understanding.

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Doc, good to see ya.
What did you find?

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-Well, I found that
it’s easier to recover the

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truth about interstellar
space from the bottom of the

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Pacific Ocean than
it is from government.

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[Jacob Haqq Misra] Avi Loeb
and his collaborators went on an

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expedition in the Pacific,
near Papua New Guinea,

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where they thought that an

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interstellar meteor crashed
down into the ocean.

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-In 2014, the US government
satellites reported about an

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object that collided with Earth.

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Roughly a meter in size,

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it originated from
outside the solar system,

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and it was unusual
in that it was moving faster

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than the speed
necessary to escape

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from the solar systems,

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so in other words,
that meant that it's

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interstellar in origin.

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[Jacob Haqq Misra] Serendipity,
you know, anomalies,

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these are the kinds
of ways that we stumble

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upon new discoveries
in science.

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Even if you're looking
for something, uh,

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you might find something
a lot weirder than

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you thought you
were gonna find.

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[Avi Loeb] So I decided
to lead an expedition to

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the Pacific Ocean
to collect materials.

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-Avi's expedition
off Papua New Guinea was

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really exciting
because he was going after

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the debris of the first-ever
observed interstellar meteor.

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[Avi Loeb] When meteors
explode as a result of their

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friction on air,

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the fireball generated
releases so much heat that it

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melts their surface,
creating spherules.

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Spherules are molten droplets
from the surfaces of meteors.

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In the case of the
interstellar meteor,

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the amount of energy released
was a few percent of the

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Hiroshima atomic bomb energy,

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and so we expected to
find some spherules on

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the ocean floor.

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The Department of Defense
localized the meteor impact site

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to within seven miles.

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[Tim Galludet] I’m an
oceanographer and I reached out

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to Avi and he
welcomed me aboard.

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I helped him determine how
far those fragments drifted

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through the atmosphere
down to the sea surface.

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I also gave him oceanographic
information to help him

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determine how far the
materials drifted from the sea

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surface to the sea floor.

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[Avi Loeb] We built a sled
designed by engineers that has

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magnets on both sides that
we placed on the ocean floor

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and was able to collect
magnetic particles leftover

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from the
explosion of the meteor.

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-Avi brought this
back and had several of his

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collaborators analyze this,

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and they found that
there are chemical anomalies

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in some of these spherules
that they claim is different

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from solar
system composition.

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[Avi Loeb] And the
composition appears to be

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different than anything
that humans produce.

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But it's also different
from asteroids,

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from rocks that
previously were analyzed.

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And so that raised the
possibility that it may be

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artificial in origin,

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technological, a spacecraft.

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[musical vocalizations]

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-Avi Loeb and his
collaborators went on an

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expedition where
they thought that an

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interstellar meteor
crashed down into the ocean.

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What they found were
spherules, very,

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very tiny particles that
are from a meteorite.

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-We had to examine whether
the relative abundances of

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elements matches the
pattern that one finds

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in meteorites from the solar
system or the Earth crust

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or the moon or Mars.

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And indeed we
find that 10% of them,

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out of the 850 spherules
that we retrieved,

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appear to have a composition
that was never reported before

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based on meteorites
from the solar system.

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It's the first time that humans
put their hands on materials

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from a big object
that originated beyond

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the solar system.

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-The general consensus was
that it was a meteorite,

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but Avi Loeb speculated
that it could potentially be

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some kind of
extraterrestrial technology

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[Avi Loeb] It had
material strength that was

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tougher than iron.

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And so that raised the
possibility that it may be

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artificial in origin,
technological, a spacecraft.

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-There was a lot of
pushback about Avi Loeb's claim.

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00:25:07,797 --> 00:25:09,674
[Leslie Kean] Even though
it was just an hypothesis,

498
00:25:09,758 --> 00:25:13,220
it's just like people couldn't
handle the possibility that

499
00:25:13,303 --> 00:25:14,721
that would be the case.

500
00:25:15,972 --> 00:25:17,098
[Jacob Haqq Misra]
But to be honest,

501
00:25:17,182 --> 00:25:18,391
this is how science works.

502
00:25:18,475 --> 00:25:19,726
I don't even think
this is a bad thing.

503
00:25:19,809 --> 00:25:21,686
If you're going to make
an extraordinary claim,

504
00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:24,189
that is what a scientist
should expect is to have

505
00:25:24,272 --> 00:25:25,899
a lot of pushback.

506
00:25:26,566 --> 00:25:28,944
-Scientists are terrible
to each other because we

507
00:25:29,027 --> 00:25:31,446
hold each other to
such high standards.

508
00:25:33,031 --> 00:25:35,367
Because that’s how
science makes progress.

509
00:25:38,703 --> 00:25:40,539
-I think altogether,

510
00:25:40,622 --> 00:25:45,418
the criticism was not warranted,
because in fact,

511
00:25:46,002 --> 00:25:48,964
we did find materials
of an unusual composition

512
00:25:49,381 --> 00:25:54,052
that we believe originated
from an interstellar meteor.

513
00:25:56,096 --> 00:25:59,307
As to the question of whether
it was natural or artificial,

514
00:26:00,308 --> 00:26:03,728
the verdict will come from
the bigger pieces that we find.

515
00:26:04,896 --> 00:26:06,273
If we find bigger pieces,

516
00:26:06,356 --> 00:26:08,900
it's easy to tell the
difference between a

517
00:26:08,984 --> 00:26:12,988
rock and a technological
gadget because a gadget may

518
00:26:13,405 --> 00:26:15,782
have buttons on it,
for example.

519
00:26:17,951 --> 00:26:19,578
And then the question
would be whether we should

520
00:26:19,661 --> 00:26:21,329
press a button.

521
00:26:28,753 --> 00:26:31,756
-I think if you're really
interested in looking for life

522
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,216
in the universe,

523
00:26:33,508 --> 00:26:36,136
the right place to look is
where the life comes from,

524
00:26:36,511 --> 00:26:38,471
which is going to
be alien planets.

525
00:26:39,431 --> 00:26:42,601
-There are hundreds of
billions of planets in existence

526
00:26:42,684 --> 00:26:44,477
in just this galaxy alone.

527
00:26:45,437 --> 00:26:48,982
Wouldn’t it be possible that
some of those planets have

528
00:26:49,065 --> 00:26:53,695
developed life to possibly
as high as ours is,

529
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:56,031
and maybe even beyond?

530
00:26:58,283 --> 00:26:59,576
[Jacob Haqq Misra]
I'm an astrobiologist.

531
00:26:59,659 --> 00:27:02,245
I think about life
in the universe.

532
00:27:03,204 --> 00:27:05,415
One possibility is
to look far away,

533
00:27:05,498 --> 00:27:08,168
to look at other
planets orbiting other

534
00:27:08,251 --> 00:27:10,462
star systems, exoplanets.

535
00:27:12,464 --> 00:27:14,132
[Adam Frank]
Scientists, including myself,

536
00:27:14,215 --> 00:27:17,093
are studying the
atmospheres of alien worlds

537
00:27:17,552 --> 00:27:19,471
looking for things
like biosignatures

538
00:27:19,888 --> 00:27:21,431
and technosignatures.

539
00:27:22,182 --> 00:27:25,310
Biosignatures are things that
a biosphere produces, right?

540
00:27:25,602 --> 00:27:27,812
So the best example is oxygen.

541
00:27:27,896 --> 00:27:30,440
If you saw oxygen in
a planet's atmosphere,

542
00:27:30,523 --> 00:27:32,484
especially oxygen and
methane at the same time,

543
00:27:33,151 --> 00:27:35,945
that would be a pretty
clear indication that there

544
00:27:36,029 --> 00:27:37,238
was a biosphere there,

545
00:27:37,489 --> 00:27:39,616
that there was life
that was pushing that

546
00:27:39,699 --> 00:27:42,077
oxygen and methane out
into the atmosphere.

547
00:27:43,953 --> 00:27:45,372
And then there's
technosignatures,

548
00:27:45,455 --> 00:27:47,832
which would be the signatures
of technology on a planet.

549
00:27:49,209 --> 00:27:50,835
[Jacob Haqq Misra] It
could be a satellite belt

550
00:27:50,919 --> 00:27:52,587
around a planet.

551
00:27:52,671 --> 00:27:54,964
It could be pollution in
the planet's atmosphere.

552
00:27:55,048 --> 00:27:57,467
It could be radio waves
directed toward Earth.

553
00:27:57,550 --> 00:28:00,553
But we also can think
about the possibility that

554
00:28:00,637 --> 00:28:02,764
life on an exoplanet,

555
00:28:02,847 --> 00:28:06,351
might send life or
technology elsewhere

556
00:28:06,935 --> 00:28:08,937
in the galaxy.

557
00:28:09,020 --> 00:28:11,106
We have done this ourselves.

558
00:28:13,525 --> 00:28:15,610
So we have to then ask
ourselves if there's

559
00:28:15,694 --> 00:28:17,654
extraterrestrial life out
there and they're interested in

560
00:28:17,737 --> 00:28:20,365
looking for other life, they
would notice life on earth.

561
00:28:20,740 --> 00:28:22,826
And they could
theoretically do that too.

562
00:28:28,289 --> 00:28:30,792
-But planets are far away.

563
00:28:30,875 --> 00:28:33,336
The distances between
the stars is psychotic.

564
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,463
So if we're going
to think about how to

565
00:28:35,547 --> 00:28:37,298
get between the stars,
what are the options?

566
00:28:37,382 --> 00:28:40,093
Einstein's theory of relativity
tells us that space-time

567
00:28:40,176 --> 00:28:41,678
itself is malleable.

568
00:28:42,178 --> 00:28:44,222
What you're doing is you're
bending space-time, right?

569
00:28:44,305 --> 00:28:45,849
So if there's two points
are very far away,

570
00:28:45,932 --> 00:28:47,559
you kind of bring those
two points together,

571
00:28:47,642 --> 00:28:50,145
jump off and then
unfold, fold space,

572
00:28:50,228 --> 00:28:51,855
and then unfold it.

573
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:55,108
-Just to try to make
this more physical,

574
00:28:55,191 --> 00:28:58,319
you see a UFO coming
along and then it suddenly

575
00:28:58,403 --> 00:28:59,821
does a right-angle turn.

576
00:29:00,071 --> 00:29:01,322
And people on the
ground observing this,

577
00:29:01,406 --> 00:29:02,866
they'll say, "Oh my God,"
you know.

578
00:29:02,949 --> 00:29:04,743
"If there's anybody
inside that craft,

579
00:29:04,826 --> 00:29:07,162
they're gonna be
squished like tomato sauce."

580
00:29:07,954 --> 00:29:11,458
However, since space
and time have been

581
00:29:11,541 --> 00:29:14,252
re-engineered and
manipulated in that situation,

582
00:29:15,211 --> 00:29:17,422
time can be
running much faster.

583
00:29:17,964 --> 00:29:20,925
And so the people inside
the spacecraft are looking

584
00:29:21,009 --> 00:29:22,761
out the window,

585
00:29:22,844 --> 00:29:25,555
and so they just take
a nice leisurely turn.

586
00:29:27,432 --> 00:29:30,101
-There's also the
idea of wormholes that

587
00:29:30,351 --> 00:29:33,396
maybe nature creates
these shortcuts between stars.

588
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:35,774
That's an exciting idea.

589
00:29:36,357 --> 00:29:38,777
-It isn't that it's necessarily
beyond our physics.

590
00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:40,945
It's certainly beyond
our engineering.

591
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:44,073
But an advanced civilization
may have figured a workaround.

592
00:29:47,911 --> 00:29:49,704
[Leslie Kean] It's very
important to be open to looking

593
00:29:49,788 --> 00:29:53,541
at all possible explanations
for the UFO phenomenon

594
00:29:55,543 --> 00:29:58,004
because they all are
gonna point us towards what the

595
00:29:58,087 --> 00:30:00,340
ultimate nature of
the phenomenon is and

596
00:30:00,423 --> 00:30:01,841
what it actually means.

597
00:30:04,177 --> 00:30:05,762
[Adam Frank] One possibility
that people talk about

598
00:30:05,845 --> 00:30:06,930
a lot is that, you know,

599
00:30:07,013 --> 00:30:08,515
you can just
give up on biology and

600
00:30:08,598 --> 00:30:10,642
that anything we meet,
anything that's traveling

601
00:30:10,725 --> 00:30:12,894
between the stars is actually
artificial intelligence,

602
00:30:13,311 --> 00:30:15,146
that it's basically machines.

603
00:30:16,105 --> 00:30:18,608
-I think the idea that they’re
all drones is one people are

604
00:30:18,691 --> 00:30:20,318
comfortable with because
they don't have to go to

605
00:30:20,401 --> 00:30:23,112
the next step of
actually saying,

606
00:30:23,196 --> 00:30:26,908
“Okay, wow, there
are so-called aliens.”

607
00:30:28,117 --> 00:30:30,203
Also, I’ll say existentially,

608
00:30:30,286 --> 00:30:34,249
we have to be open to the
idea that we might be dealing

609
00:30:34,332 --> 00:30:36,251
with something that we
would describe as very,

610
00:30:36,334 --> 00:30:40,338
very inhuman in that
it wouldn't be evolved.

611
00:30:41,339 --> 00:30:44,050
It might be
something described as more

612
00:30:44,133 --> 00:30:46,886
machinic or non-organic.

613
00:30:48,930 --> 00:30:52,141
It would be very dicey
for us to interact with it.

614
00:30:53,935 --> 00:30:58,064
-How is it that we've arrived
at where we are and still

615
00:30:58,147 --> 00:31:01,734
can't specifically say,
where does it come from?

616
00:31:02,819 --> 00:31:04,195
Who's behind it?

617
00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:06,656
So I took that on as a
challenge to say, oh,

618
00:31:06,739 --> 00:31:09,951
maybe the problem is that we've
narrowed our scope too much.

619
00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:13,246
So, maybe there's
some group that's,

620
00:31:13,329 --> 00:31:15,415
uh, hidden out on,
on the planet with

621
00:31:15,498 --> 00:31:17,000
these advanced technologies.

622
00:31:25,925 --> 00:31:29,387
[Jeffrey Kripal] If we believe
that our reality is the story.

623
00:31:31,431 --> 00:31:34,601
That the story we're
in is in fact the way the

624
00:31:34,684 --> 00:31:36,811
world really is.

625
00:31:37,395 --> 00:31:39,480
And when something
doesn't make sense,

626
00:31:39,564 --> 00:31:42,025
that means that you're being
pushed outside of your story.

627
00:31:45,069 --> 00:31:48,656
The UFO phenomenon is
trying to make us more aware

628
00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:51,576
that the story you're
in is actually not true,

629
00:31:52,744 --> 00:31:55,204
that there's another kind of
presence or another kind of

630
00:31:55,288 --> 00:31:57,999
mind or another kind of
life force that is active

631
00:31:58,082 --> 00:31:59,250
in the world.

632
00:32:01,377 --> 00:32:05,590
-Let's open our blinders
a bit and not be afraid to

633
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,425
examine any
potential hypothesis.

634
00:32:09,427 --> 00:32:12,305
Yes, it could be
E.T. coming from another

635
00:32:12,388 --> 00:32:15,642
part of the galaxy,
but what are the other options?

636
00:32:17,852 --> 00:32:20,271
And so I wrote a paper
called "Ultraterrestrials,"

637
00:32:22,565 --> 00:32:25,151
which means that
they're hidden out here.

638
00:32:26,361 --> 00:32:29,739
Maybe there was some
investigation of earth,

639
00:32:30,365 --> 00:32:33,910
let's say millennia ago
by some other species,

640
00:32:35,453 --> 00:32:40,083
and maybe they have hidden
bases on the ocean seabeds that

641
00:32:40,166 --> 00:32:41,918
are very advanced.

642
00:32:42,210 --> 00:32:45,296
We should be able to get
data that either permits us

643
00:32:45,380 --> 00:32:47,256
to accept or reject
the hypothesis.

644
00:32:49,175 --> 00:32:50,802
[Jacob Haqq Misra] What
could be hiding in the ocean

645
00:32:50,885 --> 00:32:52,178
is a big unknown.

646
00:32:52,261 --> 00:32:55,098
The oceans are
incredibly deep, vast,

647
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,142
incredibly difficult to
get to the deepest parts,

648
00:32:58,601 --> 00:33:01,980
and we are constantly
surprised at what we discover

649
00:33:02,105 --> 00:33:04,148
in the ocean.

650
00:33:04,482 --> 00:33:07,652
[Garrett Graff] Several
of the incidents that pilots

651
00:33:07,735 --> 00:33:10,571
have come forward
in recent years to talk about

652
00:33:11,197 --> 00:33:14,158
have appeared to
be objects that are either going

653
00:33:14,242 --> 00:33:16,369
into the water or
coming out of the water.

654
00:33:17,078 --> 00:33:18,705
[reporter] Now we’re seeing
leaked photos apparently taken

655
00:33:18,788 --> 00:33:21,374
from US fighter jets
showing a craft that military

656
00:33:21,457 --> 00:33:24,043
pilots claim came
popping out of the ocean and

657
00:33:24,127 --> 00:33:25,670
then shooting
straight up into the air.

658
00:33:27,130 --> 00:33:28,881
[Lt. Ryan Graves] There have
been reports that we've received

659
00:33:28,965 --> 00:33:30,675
at Americans
for Safe Aerospace

660
00:33:30,758 --> 00:33:32,719
about unidentified
submerged objects.

661
00:33:34,303 --> 00:33:36,556
They can transition
between various mediums

662
00:33:36,639 --> 00:33:39,058
such as space,
the atmosphere, or water,

663
00:33:40,351 --> 00:33:42,895
apparently without
any difficulty or change

664
00:33:42,979 --> 00:33:44,188
in its flight mechanics.

665
00:33:45,690 --> 00:33:48,067
It is harder to observe
these and there's less

666
00:33:48,151 --> 00:33:50,778
of an incentive
to talk about it.

667
00:33:55,366 --> 00:33:57,577
[Jacob Haqq Misra]
There's a famous case of a USO

668
00:33:57,952 --> 00:34:01,372
or an unidentified submerged
object that was in a video.

669
00:34:02,415 --> 00:34:03,624
And in this one,

670
00:34:03,708 --> 00:34:05,835
you see an object
that's hovering and

671
00:34:05,918 --> 00:34:08,046
then seems to
disappear into the ocean.

672
00:34:09,338 --> 00:34:11,591
-The video from the USS
Omaha off Southern California

673
00:34:11,674 --> 00:34:14,927
in 2019 is from the
Combat Information Center

674
00:34:15,011 --> 00:34:19,140
that looks at radars
and checks for incoming threats,

675
00:34:19,557 --> 00:34:21,309
missiles or aircraft.

676
00:34:22,226 --> 00:34:24,729
I like this video because
the people on the ship,

677
00:34:24,979 --> 00:34:26,481
they're all sailors.

678
00:34:26,564 --> 00:34:27,940
So it catches their attention
'cause it doesn't look like

679
00:34:28,024 --> 00:34:29,317
anything else they track,

680
00:34:29,609 --> 00:34:31,235
and they've had a lot
of experience looking at things

681
00:34:31,319 --> 00:34:32,612
that they can't explain.

682
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,533
-It splashed!
-It splashed!

683
00:34:37,617 --> 00:34:39,243
Mark bearing range.

684
00:34:39,494 --> 00:34:42,121
-The drop in speed is
very minimal as it moves

685
00:34:42,205 --> 00:34:43,289
into the water.

686
00:34:43,748 --> 00:34:45,333
So that, that is very unusual.

687
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,253
The key difference between
a USO and for example,

688
00:34:49,545 --> 00:34:52,340
typical type of drones
that we've developed and some

689
00:34:52,423 --> 00:34:55,218
of our adversaries
have developed is that

690
00:34:55,301 --> 00:34:57,345
as the USO enters the water,

691
00:34:58,012 --> 00:35:00,473
there is very little
interaction with the water.

692
00:35:06,187 --> 00:35:07,772
[Tim Gallaudet] It does
lead you to wonder, well,

693
00:35:08,189 --> 00:35:12,401
if there are these objects,
where are USOs coming from?

694
00:35:15,029 --> 00:35:17,573
Is there undersea
infrastructure that

695
00:35:17,657 --> 00:35:19,033
they reside in?

696
00:35:19,992 --> 00:35:22,995
So why not be looking at
our sea floor for evidence

697
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:24,539
of their origin?

698
00:35:25,790 --> 00:35:28,876
-Our ocean floors are an
enormous mystery to us,

699
00:35:30,419 --> 00:35:32,880
just as much of a mystery
as are some of the moons

700
00:35:32,964 --> 00:35:34,966
orbiting some of the
planets in our solar system.

701
00:35:36,384 --> 00:35:38,970
And we have very
little knowledge about

702
00:35:39,053 --> 00:35:42,265
all that's going on
in that other world.

703
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:45,810
[Tim Gallaudet] We have
not explored even 5% of

704
00:35:45,893 --> 00:35:47,895
the ocean volume.

705
00:35:48,187 --> 00:35:51,232
And we've only mapped about
25% of the global seafloor.

706
00:35:51,649 --> 00:35:54,068
So there's that much we
don't know nothing about.

707
00:35:58,406 --> 00:36:01,284
The US has a very active
ocean exploration program,

708
00:36:01,367 --> 00:36:02,910
the Okeanos Explorer,

709
00:36:03,202 --> 00:36:05,454
NOAA's dedicated
ocean exploration ship.

710
00:36:06,497 --> 00:36:09,750
They collect all sorts of
images and video of sea life,

711
00:36:10,251 --> 00:36:12,920
geological features.

712
00:36:13,004 --> 00:36:15,631
They're identifying
new species every year.

713
00:36:15,715 --> 00:36:18,593
They've done thousands
of hours of exploration and

714
00:36:18,968 --> 00:36:20,428
what they came
across on the seafloor,

715
00:36:20,511 --> 00:36:23,139
were these rows of holes
that look entirely manmade.

716
00:36:25,850 --> 00:36:28,102
And they were a
little over 2,000 meters

717
00:36:28,186 --> 00:36:29,854
deep on the seafloor.

718
00:36:31,314 --> 00:36:33,983
They were centimeters in size,

719
00:36:34,066 --> 00:36:36,194
and they looked very
perfect geometrically.

720
00:36:36,903 --> 00:36:38,404
It looks almost like you
took a rake and just like

721
00:36:38,487 --> 00:36:41,032
dug it into the water
and it created holes

722
00:36:41,365 --> 00:36:43,242
into something below.

723
00:36:43,576 --> 00:36:45,536
The scientists
onboard the ship,

724
00:36:45,620 --> 00:36:47,788
they had no
explanation for these.

725
00:36:48,581 --> 00:36:52,543
I think we need a national
program to research USOs.

726
00:36:52,919 --> 00:36:54,712
We're keeping our mind open,

727
00:36:54,795 --> 00:36:58,257
our aperture open
for USO activity because

728
00:36:58,341 --> 00:37:00,176
what is it,
what are we seeing?

729
00:37:01,093 --> 00:37:03,763
That's the big question
'cause we still don't know.

730
00:37:13,272 --> 00:37:15,733
[Michelle Reyes] When I say,
"I think it may be a UFO,"

731
00:37:15,816 --> 00:37:17,109
I don't think it's
something like from

732
00:37:17,193 --> 00:37:18,486
out of this world really.

733
00:37:18,569 --> 00:37:20,196
I just don't know what it is.

734
00:37:21,197 --> 00:37:24,533
But I also think that
if they ever did find like

735
00:37:24,617 --> 00:37:26,410
life out there or
something like that,

736
00:37:26,494 --> 00:37:27,912
I think, I don't know,

737
00:37:27,995 --> 00:37:30,081
I don't think I'd be like
surprised but I think it would

738
00:37:30,164 --> 00:37:33,542
be really scary but I also
think it's naive to think that

739
00:37:33,834 --> 00:37:36,003
we are like the
only ones out there.

740
00:37:39,257 --> 00:37:43,844
-As a personal matter,
I believe that there are

741
00:37:43,928 --> 00:37:46,597
non-human forms of
intelligence in the universe,

742
00:37:47,265 --> 00:37:49,016
I just, that doesn't
strike me as a remotely

743
00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:50,768
controversial proposition.

744
00:37:51,269 --> 00:37:55,064
But my job as a
journalist is not to just

745
00:37:55,147 --> 00:37:57,942
believe something is true,
I want evidence that it's true.

746
00:37:58,484 --> 00:38:03,155
And one of the reasons that
I like writing about UAPs and

747
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,616
writing about what the
government is doing to research

748
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:09,078
UAPs is the government
knows an awful lot about stuff

749
00:38:09,161 --> 00:38:11,664
that is flying around in the
air or that is under the water.

750
00:38:12,915 --> 00:38:16,877
I have not seen any evidence
that extraterrestrials

751
00:38:16,961 --> 00:38:18,796
have visited the
earth that convinces me

752
00:38:18,879 --> 00:38:19,922
that it's true.

753
00:38:20,006 --> 00:38:21,465
That doesn't mean
I don't believe it,

754
00:38:21,549 --> 00:38:23,092
I just haven't seen
the evidence for it.

755
00:38:25,136 --> 00:38:26,554
[Adam Frank] Every 10 years,

756
00:38:26,637 --> 00:38:27,972
astronomers get together and
they decide what's the most

757
00:38:28,055 --> 00:38:31,100
important questions we
want to ask over the next ten,

758
00:38:31,183 --> 00:38:33,102
20 years, and
what kind of zillion-dollar

759
00:38:33,185 --> 00:38:35,521
telescope do we
want NASA to build?

760
00:38:36,564 --> 00:38:40,693
And in 2020, the leading
project was something called

761
00:38:40,776 --> 00:38:43,029
the Habitable
World's Observatory.

762
00:38:44,780 --> 00:38:47,700
It’s going to be a telescope
that is going to be designed to

763
00:38:47,783 --> 00:38:50,453
find life on distant
alien worlds.

764
00:38:51,537 --> 00:38:54,874
And what that means is
astrobiology is going to be

765
00:38:54,957 --> 00:38:56,876
one of the leading
concerns for astronomers.

766
00:38:57,251 --> 00:38:58,919
It is a very exciting time.

767
00:39:00,755 --> 00:39:05,801
-I don't think that physics
or history or literature or

768
00:39:06,093 --> 00:39:08,095
biology is gonna
give us our answers.

769
00:39:08,596 --> 00:39:12,350
I think all of it
together needs to create

770
00:39:12,433 --> 00:39:14,143
some new order of knowledge,

771
00:39:14,226 --> 00:39:16,979
some other way of
ordering higher education

772
00:39:17,104 --> 00:39:20,399
around this topic to even
begin to get at this question.

773
00:39:24,445 --> 00:39:28,491
[Marik Von Rennenkampff] The
UFO topic is remarkably complex.

774
00:39:29,450 --> 00:39:33,245
There is the nuts and
bolts aspect where I'm more

775
00:39:33,329 --> 00:39:34,914
comfortable as kind of a

776
00:39:34,997 --> 00:39:37,541
national security-focused
analytic mind.

777
00:39:38,751 --> 00:39:40,461
But there's also
the consciousness side

778
00:39:40,544 --> 00:39:42,296
of it that deserves,

779
00:39:42,380 --> 00:39:46,092
I believe, deep, objective,
unbiased analysis.

780
00:39:47,551 --> 00:39:49,804
-There's a lot of
people that are telling the

781
00:39:49,887 --> 00:39:52,807
same things about what
these things might be.

782
00:39:53,265 --> 00:39:54,809
And I think it's
important to look into it

783
00:39:54,892 --> 00:39:56,560
from the human side too,

784
00:39:56,644 --> 00:39:59,188
because it's all part
of the bigger picture.

785
00:39:59,897 --> 00:40:02,358
And it's important to the
answer we're going to get.

786
00:40:04,193 --> 00:40:05,361
-As human beings,

787
00:40:05,444 --> 00:40:07,947
we've had a couple of
really large revolutions

788
00:40:08,030 --> 00:40:09,407
in our psychology.

789
00:40:09,907 --> 00:40:12,618
We had in the 1500s,
the Copernican Revolution,

790
00:40:13,035 --> 00:40:15,413
which took us out of the
center of the universe,

791
00:40:15,496 --> 00:40:16,997
the Geocentric Model.

792
00:40:17,957 --> 00:40:20,167
The Darwinian Revolution
in the 1800s,

793
00:40:20,251 --> 00:40:23,170
which was man as
related to animals.

794
00:40:24,755 --> 00:40:27,508
And then the Freudian
Revolution in the 1900s where

795
00:40:27,591 --> 00:40:29,760
we really understood
that there are unconscious

796
00:40:29,844 --> 00:40:32,805
motives and drives that
can determine human behavior.

797
00:40:33,722 --> 00:40:36,725
And it strikes me that,
at this moment in time,

798
00:40:37,351 --> 00:40:39,770
we're at another point
of a massive revolution

799
00:40:39,854 --> 00:40:41,897
where for eons,

800
00:40:41,981 --> 00:40:45,526
we all look up into the
sky and wonder, are we alone?

801
00:40:46,944 --> 00:40:49,113
We're on the cusp of a
deeper understanding of our

802
00:40:49,196 --> 00:40:51,574
place in the cosmos.

803
00:40:51,657 --> 00:40:53,159
-Imagine what's going
to happen when we find,

804
00:40:53,242 --> 00:40:55,619
if we find, that there's
life in the universe.

805
00:40:55,953 --> 00:40:57,997
If we find life anywhere else,

806
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,790
it means that
we're actually part of a

807
00:40:59,874 --> 00:41:01,667
galactic community of life.

808
00:41:03,502 --> 00:41:06,005
And that changes
everything about who

809
00:41:06,088 --> 00:41:08,090
we think we are,
what we think we are,

810
00:41:08,174 --> 00:41:10,468
what we think
our future might be,

811
00:41:10,759 --> 00:41:13,846
that I think it would
really force us to rewrite

812
00:41:13,929 --> 00:41:16,056
philosophies and
religions and politics.

813
00:41:18,392 --> 00:41:20,895
-I think what excites me
most about being involved

814
00:41:20,978 --> 00:41:23,355
with this topic is just the
mystery of it and the

815
00:41:23,439 --> 00:41:25,733
intense curiosity that
I have about wanting

816
00:41:25,816 --> 00:41:29,320
to understand our world,
our reality.

817
00:41:29,778 --> 00:41:31,030
And this is part of that.

818
00:41:31,113 --> 00:41:32,781
It's part of the
unseen world out there

819
00:41:32,865 --> 00:41:35,534
that we don't comprehend,
but it's very, very real.

820
00:41:36,535 --> 00:41:38,662
So what does that
tell us about who we are

821
00:41:38,746 --> 00:41:40,080
as human beings?

822
00:41:41,415 --> 00:41:43,501
That's a very profound
question for me.

823
00:41:46,587 --> 00:41:48,923
-Why it was so
impactful to me.

824
00:41:50,466 --> 00:41:55,638
I have a profound thought
of humanity and how-manity,

825
00:41:55,721 --> 00:41:57,973
humanity has to act to survive.

826
00:41:58,641 --> 00:42:01,477
And sometimes I'm
really frustrated by that.

827
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,356
I'm frustrated that people
don't take the time to think

828
00:42:05,439 --> 00:42:08,234
about what's
beyond the earth,

829
00:42:08,317 --> 00:42:11,820
what's beyond the stars,
what's out there?

830
00:42:12,738 --> 00:42:14,365
How can we get there?

831
00:42:14,949 --> 00:42:17,576
And I just see all
the hate in the world.

832
00:42:17,952 --> 00:42:20,412
And I think that's what
probably bothers me more than

833
00:42:20,496 --> 00:42:22,998
having an alien put his
hand on my shoulder.

834
00:42:27,836 --> 00:42:29,797
[Peter Skafish] We need to
be thinking about what the

835
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,467
meaning of this is for
different parts of humanity.

836
00:42:35,302 --> 00:42:38,389
I personally would find
it very irresponsible to be

837
00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:41,850
working on this professionally,
in a political capacity,

838
00:42:41,934 --> 00:42:43,936
in an intellectual capacity,

839
00:42:45,062 --> 00:42:48,315
and to not think
that going beyond war,

840
00:42:48,399 --> 00:42:51,819
going beyond a global
condition in which we have

841
00:42:51,902 --> 00:42:54,071
children who
are not educated,

842
00:42:54,572 --> 00:42:57,992
who are not fed,
not having a world in which

843
00:42:58,075 --> 00:42:59,785
human rights are respected.

844
00:43:00,703 --> 00:43:02,705
You know, if we don't
care about those things,

845
00:43:02,788 --> 00:43:04,290
then who cares about UAP?

846
00:43:06,875 --> 00:43:08,419
[Jacob Haqq Misra] Let's say
we do a comprehensive search

847
00:43:08,502 --> 00:43:10,546
and we find nothing.

848
00:43:10,629 --> 00:43:12,840
All we find is evidence
that this is it.

849
00:43:13,507 --> 00:43:15,050
All we have is life on Earth,

850
00:43:15,134 --> 00:43:16,885
and it's just dead
out there in space.

851
00:43:17,136 --> 00:43:19,096
No life, no technology,
nothing.

852
00:43:20,723 --> 00:43:23,892
Well, that just makes
this all the more special.

853
00:43:24,351 --> 00:43:25,603
If this is what we have,

854
00:43:25,686 --> 00:43:28,480
if this is what
life is in the universe,

855
00:43:28,814 --> 00:43:31,734
then we have an even greater
challenge to protect this life,

856
00:43:32,318 --> 00:43:35,237
to preserve it,
maybe even to spread it

857
00:43:35,487 --> 00:43:37,114
elsewhere in space.

858
00:43:37,489 --> 00:43:40,200
So either way, this is a
really important question.

859
00:43:40,284 --> 00:43:44,455
And the fact that we can answer
this question with science...

860
00:43:48,959 --> 00:43:51,003
...is, I think, a
reason that we should

861
00:43:51,086 --> 00:43:52,171
put resources into trying

862
00:43:52,254 --> 00:43:53,839
to answer this
question with science.


